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| Sri Bhagavan's Darshan with Italy - June 22, 2014 |
Tejasaji: Namaste, are you all ready?
Participants: Yes!
Big Applause. There is a choir of JAI BOLO from everybody to Sri Bhagavan. Then Tejasaji asks whether to start with questions and Andrea (one of the Trainers who is presenting the event) says that all the participants want to thank Sri Bhagavan for being with them (big applause again).
Tejasaji: Are you all set up?
Carlo (translator) You read the questions and Andrea will translate them for the Italians.
Tejasaji: I asked Sri Bhagavan to give the Blessing for the books of Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan and He did it . Thank you Sri Bhagavan. So the first question:
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Q. Beloved Sri AmmaBhagavan, what is Grace fundamentally?
A. Grace fundamentally is Divine Power which you can make use of.
Q. And what is it that allows Grace to move into the life of any human being in a moment or another?
A. It is merely being open to Grace, that's all. .....That is all. openess.
Q. Is it possible to experience and live Grace constantly?Thank you Bhagavan. Love and Gratitude.
A. Yes, it is absolutely possible.
Q. Beloved Sri Bhagavan, could you please explain the teaching: destiny unravels taking you to free will and free will takes you to destiny. Thank you Bhagavan.
A. There are times where the universe controls you, we call them destiny. There are times where the universe gives you freedom, we say that you have a free will in those times, and these two keep alternating.
Q. Awakening is it to stay with the "what is" as much as possible? Which will lead to Enlightenment, Bhagavan, or is Awakening and Enlightenment two different things?
Thank you Bhagavan.
A. Awakening and Enlightenment are two different things. Awakening leads to the Enlightenment.
Q. Beloved Bhagavan, the Sacred Chambers all over the world have many specialization: health, wealth, relationships, karma. If the Divine takes different forms for us, why do we need to pray in different kind of Chambers for having our desire fulfilled? Beloved Bhagavan, can you please clarify this for us? Thank you Bhagavan.
A. We have asked this question to the Divine and the Divine has said: "This is my way".
Q. My Beloved Bhagavan, I thank you so much for all You have given me ever since you came into my life. In the beginning of 2014 you said that in this year our Divine would become physical, near us. I went to the Sacred Chambers three times and with great joy and emotion. I perceived in that place Your Presence. I waited and am still waiting for my Divine to come, even with small, tiny signals, but as of now the Divine has not manifested Himself to me, Bhagavan. This silence does depend on my prayers, my real passion, my sincerity or simply by the Divine will of the Divine? Thank you Bhagavan.
A. It depends on all these factors, and in your case I think it's going to happen soon.
Q. Dear Bhagavan, could You please explain why some prayers are not really answered, even when we try jai bolo prayer. What is really happening in these cases, Bhagavan?
Thank you Bhagavan.
A. If your prayers are not being answered you must go to the Sacred Chambers, first where Karma is removed, after that you must go to the Chambers where your Ancestors would be liberated, third you must go to the Chambers where your program is changed, fourth you must go to Chambers where curses are removed. People keep cursing each other, each one has typical curses, that must be cleared. And then you must go for your prayers for health or wealth, or success, but first you have to go for Karma.
Q. Dear Beloved Bhagavan, I apologize for the length of my question, that needs a short introduction. I'm addressing to You not only for myself but also on behalf of other Trainers and Awakened ones. In Italy, we learned from Tejasa that there are many changes going on into the Oneness, and some of them are deep and radical.
From what we were able to understand, these changes are being introduced with the precise aim of eliminating any possible misunderstanding for Oneness to be seen as a cult or a new religion. Oneness is present in Italy also since many years, and for sure many people have this perception, but as far as we are concerned this is not representing a problem at all.
The Trainers and Awakened ones with whom I shared some of my thoughts, are as surprised and appalled as I am, not so much for the dissolution of the order but for the start of the new absolutely secular, way of teaching. I'm confessing I'm deeply disturbed by this decision, as well as many other friends in Oneness Italy. We are not able to understand a Deeksha without talking of God, since Deeksha by itself is pure and lovely Diving Light. We are not able to understand and accept teachings, awakening, heart flowering, God Realization, Sacred Chambers, manifestation of the Divine physical without the Presence and the acknowledgment of the Divine.
In fact all this appears to us as a very strong contradiction, the change really huge. Personally I suddenly felt like an orphan. What is left to Kalki's Mission, to His 800 years of work for the Advent of the Golden Age, if Kalki is disappearing from the scene? What is left of the Mission that made us deeply love Oneness? How is it possible to have absolutely secular Deepening taking people to Awakening, if the people attending the course are not aware that Awakening as well as heart flowering are only a Grace and a Boon from the Divine? Divine that we cannot mention in these courses.
Please Beloved Bhagavan, help us today, now, to understand deeply and with full faith what is happening in the Oneness through these changes.
Thank you Bhagavan, thank you Amma.
A. These change are being made for the following reasons.: You have got to understand the actual vision of Oneness. Oneness stands for setting man totally and completely free. What does this mean? We talk about God but what is this God we are talking about?
God per se in Oneness has no form, has no qualities, has no name. You give it a name, you give it a form, you give it qualities and you build up whatever relationship you want. This thing (? barely audible) by itself is unmanifest but it could manifest as light, as magnetic energy or whatever form He wanted to take.
The Divine is unmanifest, you could make it manifest as light or as a golden ball or as a form, a male form or a female form, or as an animal or a plant or whatever you want. It is in your hands. That is why we say: "Create your personal Divine". God and man are two ends of the same spectrum. If you create a judging punishing God, so that God be.
Oneness does not believe in a Creator God. In Oneness, the Creator and Creation are one. You and God are one. It is up to you to create the kind of God you want. If you create a God for giving you wealth, you will get wealth. If you create a God who will give health, you will get health. If you create a God you gives success, you will get success.
Now, let us take the case of Genghis Khan. He created a military God called Tengri. This God Tengri gave him military plans, military equipment and helped him in wars and Genghis Khan, with the help of this God Tengri, went to war with China. Genghis Khan's army was small, the Chinese army was very big. But Tengri brought down hail storms on the Chinese army and they slipped and fell. Genghis Kahn decimated the Chinese army and conquered China. That was the God he created.
You too could create Tengri if you want. Is all in your hands. The God that we are talking about is not the Judaic God, is not the Christian God, is not the Islamic God, is not the Zoroastrian God, is not the Sikh God. We are talking about the God you are creating. You could however create a Judaic God or a Christian God or an Islamic God. It is in your hands.
We are teaching you the technology of creating your own God. Ultimately you become that God you have created. In other words when the time comes to you to leave this planet you become a God, a God that you created and you serve?? humanity on any other planet. It's all in your hands. Unfortunately you have got a very wrong idea of God.
The way Oneness has gone about, you are thinking Amma and Bhagavan are God. No, we are not God! You have to create your God. We could not say this earlier because the Divine had said: "Wait till 2014".
Now, with millions of people worshipping us, it makes sense. Had we done this earlier, we would have appeared as atheist or communist. So we have got to liberate humanity from a creator controlling and punishing God. That is reason number one. The other is you all want to be enlightened. That cannot happen as long as you follow a path or a teacher.
Initially you must do window shopping and then choose the path which suits you. Then go deeply into that path. Then, like a dry leaf, that path must drop down, that teacher must drop down, all paths and all teachers must be gone. Only then you will know your path.
That moment you are enlightened. As long as there is a path or a teacher, enlightenment is not possible. If you make Oneness into a path or Amma Bhagavan your teachers, there is not hope for you. Oneness has a built-in time bomb which will explode and Oneness itself will drop down. That is your moment of enlightenment. Hence these changes.
Q. Dear Bhagavan, I'm a guy of 24 writing to you trusting that my question will be read: after receiving the last Deeksha, during the night a strong energy rose up in my back flooding my brain, and while all this was happening my mind was shouting: "I'm dying" in a state of total despair.
After that day, not knowing what had happened, I asked you to tell me what had happened in my life, and that day I dreamt of You and You said that I was awakened. After that night a very bad black period happened: my mind was oscillating between states of deep sadness in which I was having only obsessive thoughts about wanting to die, strong fears, but, in spite of all this I was feeling the Presence of my Divine, very close, and there were also alternating states of pure joy in which time and space perception were non existing, and other states in which I was totally losing my identity and was entering in deep states where there was only peace in me. Now little by little I'm going out from this nightmare. Please Bhagavan, can you please tell me what happened and what shall I do? Please help me. Thank you Bhagavan.
A. What is happening to you is a process of inner death. Soon your past will only be a memory without any charge. Your own life will look like somebody else's life. Everything is dropping down for you. It is all happening automatically. There is nothing for you to do.
Q. Dear Bhagavan, deep gratitude for all the boons that you gave me and gave us in these years and that You keep giving us.
1. Is there a connection between God Realization and to see the Divine physical?
2. Could you explain how this God Realization is manifesting itself, Bhagavan?
Thank you so much.
A. All these things are related. As you build up a proper relationship with your Divine, your Divine becomes physical. In the beginning you feel you and your Divine are separate. Then comes a point of time when you will say: "I and my Divine are one".
Q. Dear Sri Bhagavan, I had the glimpse that I'm Existence, Consciousness and Bliss, Satchitananda, how can I go deeper in this experience and make it part of my daily life?
Thank you Bhagavan.
A. What is preventing you from going deeper is your question "how can I". The moment that question drops there will be nothing but Existence, Consciousness and Bliss.
Q. Thanks for helping my life! Today I'm a very happy person! I love you Bhagavan!
Bhagavan, is the world made of matter or Consciousness? Thank you Bhagavan.
A. What is there is only Consciousness. This could be experienced mystically.
Q. Dear Bhagavan, Oneness was always understood as a means for a vision and you said that by 2014 the organization was to be dissolved, since true spirituality cannot be organized.
Nevertheless in Italy and also in India I see that none of these is happening and new structures are being created, basically creating some type of control over the spreading of the phenomenon. I've invested 18 years of my life working together along with you in spreading this vision, but now I feel for the first time some type of incongruence at its root level. How can we warrantee that the phenomenon will not become an intellectual property of Oneness (the organization) instead of remaining as a spiritual asset for of the people and future generations, after you retire, Bhagavan, that I believe is going to be soon? Thank you Bhagavan.
A. The phenomenon is not being organized because a phenomenon, whatever the phenomenon, cannot be organized. There are organizations only for functional purposes like the Railways, the Post Office or the Banks. It is the phenomenon which has now taken over Oneness and directly guiding Oneness. Amma and Bhagavan have no role whatsoever, except my answering your questions on Skype. ...the Guides as a group talk to their Divine and get day to day instructions. The guides too have no independent role whatsoever. And the same thing will happen to you also. When your Divine becomes physical to you, your Divine will directly guide all your affairs. Your Divine, he will even take care of your bank balances.
Q. Thank you Bhagavan for all you have done for me and all the Grace I've been receiving in these years. I'm an Advanced Trainer and a custodian of Sacred Chambers and I have the physical non-physical experience but God has not yet manifested in the physical physical. I'm not in a hurry, Bhagavan, I know He will come. Ever since I heard that Bhagavan is retiring, I feel like a kid on the first day of school, when he says goodbye to his parents, but he has to go to school anyway. Please even if I know and feel Bhagavan is inside me, can you give us a few words of "encouragement", Bhagavan? I'm asking for Blessings for the whole Oneness Community. Thank you Bhagavan.
A. Amma and Bhagavan have retired but your Divine will never retire. Your Divine will in fact become closer and closer to you.
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... Deeksha evening... (not understandable)
Sri Bhagavan: Yes, the Divine will bless you.
Bhagavan, there is a Sacred Chamber custodian by name Elena, she wants a blessing for prosperity, Bhagavan.
Sri Bhagavan: She will be blessed.
There is another lady who is asking for a blessing for her son Elio, for her full health and mental peace and also to be used as a wonderful instrument of the Divine.
Thank you Bhagavan.
Sri Bhagavan: They too will be blessed.
So now we will move into the prayer.
Jai Bolo prayer was shouted out.
Gratitude to the Italian Oneness team for so quickly providing the link and wonderful transcript.
