Conference with Vikramji, Oneness Guide
and Latinamerican countries January 12th 2013
(Argentina, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, El Salvador, Peru, Venezuela)
1. What is the job of Oneness University from December 21 onwards? What is the job of the Givers and Trainers now that Sri AmmaBhagavan`s mission is complete?
Vikramji:So the first vision and mission of Amma and Bhagavan was to create 70.000 awakened beings. Throughout the world we already have over 250.000 awakened beings now and every day there are at least few thousand people becoming awakened. The numbers continue to grow.
Another important aspect is, we must fulfill the quota of our countries. In each of our countries we must have hundreds of awakened beings. We have to create wonderful oneness comunities everywhere in every country, in every part of the country filled with awakened people and awakened families.
When you become awakened in your family, all of the family members also start getting affected. They also move towards awakening. Even if they are staying far away from your place, far away from home, in a different country in a different place, still they would be affected. But the awakened person giving intent deekshas and hands on deekshas would help them would accelerate their process of awakening. So we must fulfill the quotas of our countries for awakened people. And we must continue to grow towards enlightenment towards reaching the level of 70. And bring in God, bring in Amma and Bhagavan in each and everyone of our lives
So the job of the blessing givers and the trainers is to deepen this connection of the people with their God, with their Amma and Bhagavan, leading to a greater discovery of their Divine and moving into higher states of awakening. So that by 2035 the whole of humanity is awakened. And anybody who reaches the age of 60 would naturally become awakened. That is how things are going to happen by 2035.
So all of us continue to work on ourselves and continue to help others to grow spiritually. And once you become awakened, Bhagavan is giving you the power to awaken others through your deekshas, through the processes you do to help them get awakened.
So the vision of Amma and Bhagavan is to awaken the whole of humanity, is to remove suffering from this planet. That would be our next higher goal. We all continue to work towards that. We continue to focus on people, focus on their awakening. Continue to send people for courses in India, so that they become awakened soon, so that we collectively lift the human collective consciousness towards awakening, towards higher states. To continue to lift the whole human level of consciousness higher , raising the human collective consciousness, the level of our consciousness. So this is our next job, this is our next roll.
Amma and Bhagavan, and the guides, and all the devotees, all the oneness family continue to work towards that.
2. Will Oneness continue having Trainer Courses and the Deepening Process in India? When are going to be available the new courses? What are they be focused on? Are there changes in the courses guided by Trainers or remain as they are?
Vikramji: The course of the trainers as of now continues to be the same what it has been in 2012. The deepening courses we`ve already changed in 2012/2013. So the deepening courses – we`ve already started the new deepening course it shall continue - and all of the courses would continue forever.
When you become awakened, you are disconnected from the mind, the mind continues to be there. But we make use of it. It is there in our control. Whenever we can, we can disconnect from the mind and move into the experience. But whenever we use the mind it is the same old mind which is working, though the charges are reducing. It is important to continue working on the mind and within the mind. And that would push you into higher states of consciousness, into higher levels.
And in the future after a few months at least, we are going to begin the higher processes, processes for awakened people, processes for God realization, all those things would begin after a few months. We have not yet planned the dates. When we fix those dates we will let you know. All the countries. Until then what should you do?
People who are not yet awakened must receive deekshas from awakened people and also from others. And awakened people must give deekshas to deepen their states, deepen their level of consciousness.
So the trainer courses and the deepening courses would continue and we would go on upgrading the courses regularly. We also plan to offer higher courses for awakened people, courses for God realization in the future.
3. How do Oneness gets the figures related to the number of people Awakened worldwide? Why is it important that we continue giving Deeksha if the planet already achieved the required number of people who will make the shift in consciousness?
Vikramji: These figures and these numbers are revealed to us by the oneness beings who connect deeper into their Amma and Bhagavan, they go deeper into themselves and connect to the mystical Amma and Bhagavan who are there throughout the world and through them they get all the information which they share with us.
And if you are not satisfied the aim for higher things to make you all un?? (voice jumbled and distorted) to move to make you move to higher states of consciousness. We are not satisfied with the progress though we are happy with that, we want to make the whole of humanity awaken. Not just to keep it with a limited number.
Let us say you are awakened and somebody else in your family is suffering, they are experiencing some pain. That pain would definitely affect you. If there are problems in the world, that would definitely affect you. You continue to feel all those pain. So you cannot stop helping the other. That is why Amma and Bhagavan want everybody to be awakened, so that we wipe out suffering from this planet. So that everybody walks and talks with God. Walks and talks with their Amma and Bhagavan. They are living with their Divine all the time. So that is our aim for the whole of humanity. Oneness is for the whole world not for a limited amount of people.
So we continue to share that joy, that greatness with everybody. What you have received from your inner Divine you continue to share it with others. That is why all awakened people, Christ, great beings, all of them continued to help people. They did not keep it with themselves.
So we continue to work for that. You continue to raise your state, you continue to stabilize your state. We go on taking you to higher levels. We don’t intend to stop when you are 10 or 20, we want to take you all to level 100. That is why we continue to work, Amma and Bhagavan and all the guides continue to work towards this. And we hope that all of you also continue this, sharing with thousands and millions around you. Reaching out to everyone.
4. To take Oneness Meditations face to face is stronger than online? What is the difference? What is the importance of taking Oneness Meditations?
Vikramji: See, Oneness Meditation when you do it face to face it is much stronger, definitely stronger than online. The physical presence has a superior effect rather than online.
All the Oneness Meditators are an aspect of Amma and Bhagavan, are an aspect of the Divine, so their physical aspect has a greater effect on people. And all the Oneness Meditators are awakened beings. They are all awakened now. All of them became awakened before the end of 2012. So they are awakened people and they`ve been especially chosen by the Divine, chosen by Amma and Bhagavan. Their physical presence through all the responses, Amma and Bhagavan would respond, Amma and Bhagavan would flow through them. And when you have them in your countries, you could talk to them, you could have a conversation with them, you could ask them questions, you could speak to them. And the whole thing is a beautiful experience would lead you to a higher level of consciousness.
And whenever we check for awakening for any person, we also check if that person has the possibility to become an Oneness Meditator at that particular time. Is he ready? If they are chosen by the Divine as a Oneness Meditator through the Oneness beings, we also announce that along with their awakening.
One more difference is from direct Oneness Meditation and online, it is more like seeing the person in the TV and seeing that person in front of you. It is a vast difference. In online meditation you see that being only for 10 minutes or 15 minutes, a short Oneness Meditation. But when you have that person in your place it has a greater effect, on that whole place, that city, that area.
When you take these Oneness Meditation, Amma and Bhagavan’s Presence flows through them, the Divine flows through them. And, it raises your level of consciousness to a very good level. It accelerates your whole process. That is why it is important.
5. Once Vicky Marincovic left the Coordination of Ecuador, Chile and Peru to pursue their professional activities and being independent Oneness Senior Trainer, who will remain in charge of these countries? Whom should we contact to coordinate activities regarding travelling to India in February and September, and so on?
Vikramji: Now since - above all the coordinators, there is the oneness guide. There is me. And above me is Amma and Bhagavan, who is guiding the whole work. Whenever a coordinator leaves, it is our policy that we will not have another coordinator. The guide directly takes care of those countries. So there will not be any oneness senior trainer or anybody to take care of those places. The place would be directly guided by me. Officially there will be no coordinator. But there will be other coordinators and trainers who are helping those countries. And the trainers in Ecuador, Chile and Peru could coordinate, could take the help of the other coordinators, like Fernando, Gabriella are there, Solange is there, Gato is there. You could take all their help, depending on what comes naturally to you, depending on the situation and all that. You could take any of their help. And you yourselves could be trainers, groups of trainers as teams and you could directly coordinate with me also. The only thing is, you must know English, to coordinate with me. So whether it’s February or September or any part of the year, all of you could come for processes, various processes. The only thing you have to take care of the translation part. So you could take any other coordinator’s help on your own, or you could directly coordinate with me, take my help. So depending on the situation, I may connect you directly to another coordinator to take their help.
As all the coordinators are my friends. They are all an integral part of my team. I’ll be taking their help to help you out, from situation to situation. Depending on the need.
6. How to maintain healthy relationships in my external world, without compromising my truth, my heart, being internally integral… Is it valid to lie as long as it serves to keep my relationships healthy? If so, these relationships would not be forged from fear, from the idea that it is possible that love may be lost?
Vikramji:Now, first thing is inner integrity. You are truthful to yourself. That is your truth. But you - but you have the freedom to lie depending on the situation. But internally you know, the truth why you are lying. At least you must be integral at that level. Being externally truthful needs a lot of courage which most of us don’t have.
Knowing that when you are lying, you are connecting to the mind of the other person. Your mind is connecting with the other person’s mind. So compromise happens. But problems do not get solved.
Then there is integrity where there is truth, where your heart starts responding. The other person’s heart would also respond. So you have to balance this. And whatever karma comes because of that, that also you have to experience, and keep moving forward. So see why you are lying in the first instant. Why there is lies coming out? Because the mind is all the time lying, trying to explain, trying do this do that. That also you must be watchful. Then ask Amma and Bhagavan to help you stay with the truth, and be more truthful and authentic with the other. Become more and more truthful and authentic as you progress.
7. Sri Bhagavan said most Deeksha Givers would get awakened until last December 21th. Here in the city Quito, I have not heard of any Deeksha Giver who has awakened. Are we doing something wrong or missing something?
Vikramji: Now, whether the Deeksha Givers in your place have become awakened or not, only if we check we will know, isn’t it? But when you talk to them, you’ll know how or what is their inner state.
We are going to send you all in the future the near future a set of qualities of an awakened person. And you have to check within yourselves whether you have those qualities. You have to check for yourselves, whether there is personal suffering. Whether there is conflict inside. Are you experiencing reality or are you daydreaming? Is the past or the future disturbing you? All these are indicators whether you have become awakened or not.
There are totally more than 100 qualities, 100 liberations. So I’ll be sending you in the future a set of liberations and you have to check for yourselves if you have at least 20 of those liberations, then we can say you are awakened.
So more and more is going to start happening in 2013. And we already have 250.000 awakened beings. And many of them could be in your own city, which you are not aware of.
One more thing about awakening is, an awakened person will not go on saying: I am awakened, I am awakened, I am awakened. They are already enjoying their beautiful state. Why should they speak about it and get more attention? They are more calm and happy with themselves. That is how great beings are.
If you become awakened and you making a huge noise about it, ok, definitely that shows, the mind is still working in you.
Mainly you realize your bond with the Divine has improved. Your bond with your Divine has improved. You know that. Rather than resisting life you are flowing with life. And you experience a lot of freedom and silence around those people.
And anybody who is a serious seeker, must definitely must have become awakened by now. It depends on how much are you tuning into Bhagavan’s vision. Are you focused? That is important. Then definitely you would have made it.
Should I repeat? You must see that how much are you focused on Amma and Bhagavan’s vision. How much you are staying with it. Or are you moving away?
And who is a passionate seeker? What do we expect from a Deeksha Giver? A Deeksha Giver is one who is in touch with his spiritual suffering, with his existential sorrow, who will develop the passion, the fire to become awakened, to get liberated from his suffering which he is experiencing at that time. And realize he is helpless, and he is seeking Divine intervention. Such a seeker would have definitely made it, among thousands of others. And they are at peace with themselves and they are very happy with their own state. And they continue to grow and help people.
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-VHleINXJE
8. From the 21 qualities of an Awakened Being which Oneness gave us with the certifications, I have some but not all. Does this have to do with the level of awakening? Can we give other people the questionnaire that was given to us in India to see how the process of awakening of each person is going?
Vikramji: We will tell you when you must share that questionnaire, all those points 21 points with others. We are waiting for the right time to give it to the whole of humanity. We are waiting for a sign from the Divine to give it to you all. When the right time comes we will share it with everybody. Until then for some more time you have to wait for it.
These 21 qualities are not everything. There are totally 108 liberations. And we have given you only 21 points. So, and many more other liberations are there, within those liberations which we will be giving you when we come to the higher processes.
Until then continue to deepen your connection with Amma and Bhagavan, continue to share and give Deekshas, share about your experience, about the miracles you had, with others so that your state deepens more. And slowly you acquire the other qualities. You would have more experiences and insights, and you discover that you have all those 21 qualities.
Your level of awakening is the amount of changes that are happening in your physiscal brain. Let us say your brain can be divided into 100 areas, 100 portions. How much change has occurred we could know by that. If you are at level 20, then 20 % of the brain has been transformed than your previous response. So these 100 levels of awakening, is the 100 changes that should occur on your physical brain. And Amma and Bhagavn have given you lots of awakened teachings isn’t it? Every week Bhagavan is giving, what is the state of an awakened person, what is the state of an unawakened person.
All that also you must apply. When you realize that you don’t have that, or you have not yet realized the truth, then you become helpless and ask the Divine to help you more, so that you acquire that quality.
Stay with the truth that you don’t have that quality, become helpless and ask Amma and Bhagavan to help you. When you realize you don’t have it, when you stay with the truth, and you call out to Amma and Bhagavan, you receive that liberation from them. That is how it happens.
9. Every day I talk with my parents (AmmaBhagavan), at every moment, I sing praises and offer them through Padhukas, the Sri Murthi and in my heart and I express my gratitude, and I feel I have a bond very, very strong and personal with them. The teachings have begun to make sense and an experience in my life. How can we deepen the state? (Deekshas, webcasts, OMs)?
Vikramji: Yes, so webcast and Oneness Meditation and Deekshas would help you. See, how do you know you are progressing? Your experience of reality goes on changing, goes on improving. There is more life in what you see. The experiences of the senses, the 5 senses, becomes more and more beautiful, there is life in what you see.
When you live the life of the mind, for an unawakened person, everything is dead. There is no life. The earth is dead, human beings are dead, trees are dead, everything is dead, everything is old and gone. There is no more life. Nothing is alive. Nothing is fresh. When you become awakened you start responding through the senses. There is life in what you see, what you hear, what you touch, taste, everything. Everything becomes more and more alive for you. You can feel the whole universe responding to you. And that would show that you are progressing.
And whenever you are listening to the awakened teachings during the webcast, apply them and see where you are how you are progressing. So, and occasionally we may check your progress and we will let you know, how you are progressing. Maybe in the higher processes or something which ever comes up in the future.
10. Should I check regularly my progress, in respect of the qualities of an awakened one, and share them with you?
Vikramji: So, regularly definitely you could send all your experiences and your realizations to me. How you are experiencing reality now, how internally you have changed, and definitely I will help you with it. I’ll guide you further.
11. Dear Vikramji: in my awakening process I have been at Oneness University twice, have given and received many Deekshas, I cried, I screamed, demanded, and I gave orders to the Divine (AmmaBhagavan) asking to feel, to connect with them, also asked for the Awakening, but I feel He is not listening…
You, who are in direct connection with Him, could you please pray for my awakening? Please, I know that Awakening is given to us by grace, but while Awakening arrives, doubts come to me, exhaustion and despair and I need help. I observe, I see my personalities and some of them, against my will, hurt other people… and it hurts me, but I cannot stop them so many times. In my heart is the desire to awaken, I feel the connection with the Divine, I give my life to service of humanity, to awaken others too, but how to talk or give Deeksha, when I feel that I`m not able to reach it? My mother has Alzheimer, how can I help her? How can anyone ask to have such an experience?
Vikramji:What are you? You are the resistance. You are not having resistance. What is there what is keeping the mind and the self alive is the resistance. This resistance is coming from a charge, which is coming from an incomplete painful experience. All these experiences, the good and the painful experiences, are all part of your life are part of your past. There are a lot of children inside, that is, there are a lot of childhood experiences inside who are having those pains, all that suffering.
The conscious mind, that is you know that Amma and Bhagavan are there. They are there to help me. They are my friends. They are focusing on my awakening. But the child inside you is not understanding all that. The child who is hurt inside, the child which is in pain. The child which is having low confidence, which has fear. The child inside you which is moving away, resisting all relationships. This process is for the child inside you, all those inner childhood experiences, the hurts and the pains inside.
By “healing” we say, you know we heal the child inside you, all those painful experiences.
So, whenever you have that pain, connect to that child inside you. The child inside you who is afraid of life, who is afraid of relationships, who has moved away from everything. Connect to that painful child inside you.
What is awakening? Awakening is being yourself. Now you are not able to be yourself, you are trying to become something else, which you are not. And all the time you are caught up in becoming, you are full of resistance.
When you reach the level of 100 there is zero resistance. There is no more any charges. You are completely free inside. That is where we intend to take you.
It is important that you connect to the charges, to the pain inside, and to the child within. And allow that child to call out to Amma and Bhagavan. When you connect to your truth and when you connect to the pain call out to Amma and Bhagavan, Amma and Bhagavan respond powerfully to the child inside you. Then healing would happen. You experience healing. That child experience inside you, which is hurt, would discover love. That aspect of you starts connecting with the Divine.
But there are other aspects. So every day, through every experience, you go on connecting with the Divine. Connect that hurt child with its Divine. You realize you cannot do it on your own. Only Amma and Bhagavan’s help could liberate you. So allow the child inside you to become helpless and call out to its mother to its father, to the Divine. Then your heart would start healing. Then you experience progress in your life and also spiritually.
All the Deekshas, giving and receiving, Oneness Meditations, the webcasts, all these things would help you in a big way in your process. So that is one part of it.
You can give Deekshas to your mother. You could give deeksha to anybody with any problem. Any physical problem, any mentally challenged children who are mentally unstable, you would give deekshas to any kind of people and it would definitely help them. We are not focusing on their healing. That may naturally happen. But we are trying to help them with putting them at peace with whatever is happening.
When you are not at peace you are resisting change. When you accept what is happening, that is the change, the experience. Then the problem no more disturbs you. You have accepted the problem. You are at peace with it. The problem may leave you or it stops bothering you. Anything may happen. Either a solution or dissolution would happen. So deekshas would help, Oneness Meditations and webcasts would definitely help. You could give intent deeksha. And whenever you give hands-on deeksha to anybody, you will not be touching their head, you will be placing your hands 1 inch /2,5 cm above their head. Like how you touch the Padukas.
Whenever you give deekshas, in the near future, for any deekshas, generally you will not be touching the head of the person. You will be placing your hands 1 inch /2,5 cm above their head. More like how you take deekshas from the Padukas or the Sri Murthi in Bhakti Yoga. You place your hands 1 inch above thaz persons’ head and you give the deeksha. That is how you will give deekshas from now onwards. Many of you could already know this, but I want it to make it clear to all of you, to all of the devotees, to the oneness family in South America.
Praying and Blessing
Transcript: Giselle Fahrbach
